Posts by cha ching

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Please...I need your help

by Strawberryfieldsforever in

jw
friends

my heart is heavy as i write this letter.

i have been trying to live my life as best that i can since leaving jehovah's witnesses.

my dad was not a witness and was my rock when i left the religion.

cha ching

Be brief, but reassuring, then moving on might be the best.

Don't dwell on it more than a sentence, then tell something funny to divert.

"Are you kidding mom? I am still reading the Bible & Science Fiction, but that's about it!"

Or, "I don't have time for that stuff, I enjoy my garden so much... Did you know my rose bushes have grown twice as large this year? In fact, I've noticed a new branch popping out that has a different colored flower, do you think that's a "sport"? Go from there, jokling, laughing, asking questions.

Only give her a brief reply @ 'apostate literature' after two or three lines in, and move on.....

:-) cha ching

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Letting JESUS refute the Watch Tower blood policies

by Terry in

letting jesus refute the watch tower blood policies.

the watch tower bible and tract society represent itself as christian.. it represents its theology and policies as direct from jehovah god through his son, jesus christ.. further, the governing body of this corporation interposes itself between the mediator, jesus, and the rest of jehovah's (christian) witnesses for the purpose of "feeding them (spiritual) food at the proper time.. the official word of jesus christ is represented in the watch tower's policy on blood transfusions.. in 1998 this statement was made:.

jehovah's witnesses do not accept whole blood, or major components of blood, namely, red blood cells, white blood cells, platelets and plasma.

cha ching

(Luke 6:4) How he entered into the house of God and received the loaves of presentation and ate and gave some to the men with him, which it is lawful for no one to eat but for the priests only?”

7 The scribes and the Pharisees were now watching him closely to see whether he would cure on the sabbath, in order to find some way to accuse him. 8 He, however, knew their reasonings, yet he said to the man with the withered hand: “Get up and stand in the center.” And he rose and took his stand. 9 Then Jesus said to them: “I ask YOU men, Is it lawful on the sabbath to do good or to do injury, to save or to destroy a soul?” 10 And after looking around at them all, he said to the man: “Stretch out your hand.” He did so, and his hand was restored. 11 But they became filled with madness, and they began to talk over with one another what they might do to Jesus.

*** w02 8/15 pp. 11-12 pars. 9-10 “I Set the Pattern for You” ***

9 When Jesus was challenged by religious opponents, he did not engage them in a duel of wits, although he could easily have outdone them in such a contest. Rather, he let God’s Word refute them. Recall, for instance, when the Pharisees charged that Jesus’ followers had violated the Sabbath law by plucking a few heads of grain in a field and eating them while passing through. Jesus replied: “Have you not read what David did when he and the men with him got hungry?” (Matthew 12:1-5) Of course, those self-righteous men may well have read that inspired account recorded at 1 Samuel 21:1-6. If so, they had failed to discern an important lesson that it contained. Jesus, however, had done more than read the account. He had thought about it and taken its message to heart. He loved the principles that Jehovah taught by means of that passage. So he used that account, as well as an example from the Mosaic Law, to reveal the balanced spirit of the Law. Similarly, Jesus’ loyal love moved him to defend God’s Word against the efforts of religious leaders to twist it to their own ends or bury it under a morass of human traditions.

10 Jesus’ love of his subject would never allow him to teach merely by rote, in a manner that was tired or mechanical. ..

Have you ever heard the style of commenting "Watchtower, '0' '2' 8/15, page 11 & 12, paragraph 9?

Have we "failed to discern the important lesson?" Life is more precious than listening to "religiuos leaders" who "twist it to their own ends or bury it under a morass of traditions."

Remember, the WT use to say that it was "cannabalistic" to take an organ transplant...

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THE TWO BABYLONS as a template for Watch Tower dishonesty in history

by Terry in

proof isn't proof at the watchtower.

"proof" is a reconstruction like frankenstein's monster kept alive by flashes of "new light" made up as needed to revitalize a quivering monstrosity.. at first glimpse it looks like science.

when the smoke clears it is madness and obsession riven with fierce contrarian nincompoopery.. ****.

cha ching

Amazing how easily they lie...

and it keeps going and going and going...

thx Terry!

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Watchtower® and their education

by punkofnice in

ok. i'm a brit as some of you know.. what i noticed with the wbt$ is how they only seem to write from an american cultural standpoint.

not a bad thing if you're one of my cousins form the usa i admit........ but.... here in the uk there are some things that are meaningless to us.. eg hazing.

this was warned about in a study and over here we had no idea what it was and it kind of alienated the congregation from the study.

cha ching

My sister (an American) is mad because she could never find the word "cournal" (colonel) in the paragraph...

though she does spell the word 'color' as colour... a result of reading English fiction

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Identifying a cult - what is it's purpose?

by 4thgen in

there was an interesting statement on a cult recovery site: the first is to look at its purpose which should be centered on the people it serves rather than on the ones that are providing the service.. well, that leaves out jws, as its now all about the gb.. 'its not what they say, its what they do!".

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http://www.choosehelp.com/experts/counseling/counseling-christopher-smith/religious-recovery-site-or-a-cult.

cha ching

"Lets say an organization wants a person to separate from and cut off contact from family and friends does that sound like a cult?"

'You will be afraid.... you will be"

and don't think it won't happen to you ....

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From the Governing Body

by molybdenum in

obey obey you have no choice .

we are the ones who are god's voice.

faithful and discreet we take the lead.

cha ching

Very good poem.... says it all...

cha ching

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

cha ching

One cannot utter a WORD of disagreement or question what "mother" has "given us," w/o being called "Apostate.'

Jesus and his apostles were not like that.

Hence, this 'refined, selected, holy spirit directed,' book publishing organization is NOT "Christ like."

Unity... conformity... comes before all else..... and that is sad...

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Active JW's, can you defend "THE TRUTH?"

by DATA-DOG in

as of yet, no member of the jehovah's witness faith can defend their unique beliefs.

when the dust settles, it all comes down to blind faith in men's ever-changing ideas.

this "unique belief" was not a "true teaching of the bible.

cha ching

(John 11:11-16) 11　He said these things, and after this he said to them: "Laz´a·rus our friend has gone to rest, but I am journeying there to awaken him from sleep." 12　Therefore the disciples said to him: "Lord, if he has gone to rest, he will get well." 13　Jesus had spoken, however, about his death. But they imagined he was speaking about taking rest in sleep. 14　At that time, therefore, Jesus said to them outspokenly: "Laz´a·rus has died, 15　and I rejoice on YOUR account that I was not there, in order for YOU to believe. But let us go to him." 16　Therefore Thomas, who was called The Twin, said to his fellow disciples: "Let us also go, that we may die with him."

(John 11:42-46) .　.　." 43　And when he had said these things, he cried out with a loud voice: "Laz´a·rus, come on out!" 44　The [man] that had been dead came out with his feet and hands bound with wrappings, and his countenance was bound about with a cloth. Jesus said to them: "Loose him and let him go." 45　Therefore many of the Jews that had come to Mary and that beheld what he did put faith in him; 46　but some of them went off to the Pharisees and told them the things Jesus did."

Thomas, an apostle, saw Lazurus get resurrected... Who of US have seen ANYONE get resurrected?

(John 20:24-25) 24　But Thomas, one of the twelve, who was called The Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. 25　Consequently the other disciples would say to him: "We have seen the Lord!" But he said to them: "Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will certainly not believe."

Did Thomas get shunned? disfellowshipped for "disunity"? After all, didn't he see MANY things that we did not? He KNEW Jesus! We have NEVER spoken to Jesus personally, or witnessed miracles, or even USED H.S. to do them ourselves...

Why wasn't Thomas told "You are being disrespectful?"

"You are speaking ill of our fellow Christians?"

"Thomas, we must preserve our unity!"

"Jehovah's name will be reproached by the way you are talking"

"The "Governing Body" is going to hear about this!?!"

"We are setting up a Judicial Committee meeting of three brothers to straighten you out"

LET'S SEE WHAT GOD'S SON HIMSELF DID......

(John 20:26-29) 26　Well, eight days later his disciples were again indoors, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and he stood in their midst and said: "May YOU have peace." 27　Next he said to Thomas: "Put your finger here, and see my hands, and take your hand and stick it into my side, and stop being unbelieving but become believing." 28　In answer Thomas said to him: "My Lord and my God!" 29　Jesus said to him: "Because you have seen me have you believed? Happy are those who do not see and yet believe."

Jesus is the opposite of "God's Organization"........

Jesus did not need to bully people into believing ("Your family will shun you if you don't accept everything the 'uninspired', non miracle producing, "Organization of God on Earth" says")

Jesus let's people ask questions.

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Problems: The Bethel Family and Social Security Tax Exemption

by daniel-p in

jw
friends

so i happened to be reading a website about the amish, and i came across this:.

"do the amish pay taxes?

""self-employed amish do not pay social security tax.

cha ching

Thank you Chaserious, I have always wanted to read that.

I need to be clearer (tho hereI kind of like to be vague.... ) when I describe a situation.

The "Bethel Bro" (that was rich, and still gets a SS check) STILL SERVES AT BETHEL.....

He is still living there, at Beth Hell.... and gets an SS check.... and, according to #6:

6. To turn over to the local organization of the Order all income received from any work or personal efforts in excess of my necessary living expenses, unless released from this vow by the Order;

He would have to give the Watchtower his check... right?

(Unless, of course, it was a mere pittance, and wasn't "in excess of his necessary living expenses...." )

;-) cha ching (thx again)